tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post3811817205114625330..comments2024-02-19T20:37:52.018+08:00Comments on eastcoastlife: What is the matter with our educators!?eastcoastlifehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-15563612572575332932007-08-06T16:30:00.000+08:002007-08-06T16:30:00.000+08:00Hi Angel_X,Thanks for stopping by. Thanks for shar...Hi Angel_X,<BR/>Thanks for stopping by. Thanks for sharing.<BR/><BR/>Many women want equality of sex but yet they have double standards whenit come to their hubbys or bfs. They just want to have control. <BR/><BR/>Yeah, i agree with you. If the warden can be so extreme, she could have set up CCTV.eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-81756008439582031732007-08-06T12:14:00.000+08:002007-08-06T12:14:00.000+08:00The teachers are getting blur in their limitations...The teachers are getting blur in their limitations of power.<BR/><BR/>What is disciplinary action? How do you define a corporal punishment apart from physical abused.<BR/><BR/>In america, you can't hit kids, if you do, you will go to jail.<BR/><BR/>And I think it's very hypocritical that some females kept on yelling gender equality and yelped on female students getting punished, but pretended to see nothing when a male student got caned nearly to death.<BR/><BR/>As for the hostel warden case.... I totally disagree with the way the girls get punished, there could be other ways like fine, or placement of waste baskets for sanitary napkins, or a little bit extreme..... CCTV.Angel_Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06336340477846821926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-25690317458252650572007-08-01T10:03:00.000+08:002007-08-01T10:03:00.000+08:00chen,Oh gosh. This is real bad. It happened in Sin...chen,<BR/>Oh gosh. This is real bad. It happened in Singapore too. More students these days are getting violent and cruel. This is not playful behaviour.eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-12526753039810898212007-07-31T23:59:00.000+08:002007-07-31T23:59:00.000+08:00This is so sickening..<A HREF="http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/National/20070731084505/Article/index_html" REL="nofollow">This</A> is so sickening..Chenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04036638814243116351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-18767203768780058002007-07-31T11:26:00.000+08:002007-07-31T11:26:00.000+08:00sauerkraut,Sorry if I sound sarcastic. :PYou're ri...sauerkraut,<BR/>Sorry if I sound sarcastic. :P<BR/><BR/>You're right we can't please everyone. I realise teachers' hands are tied and that there are limitations in what they can do.<BR/><BR/>I pray that educators would make good decisions. Many young, innocent kids are in their hands.eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-11168336239887231172007-07-31T11:16:00.000+08:002007-07-31T11:16:00.000+08:00Teacher Julie,As a teacher, you might have your ow...Teacher Julie,<BR/>As a teacher, you might have your own guidelines on how to discipline a student. I'm glad that abusing and humiliating them is never in it. <BR/><BR/>The emotional as well as the physical well-being of a child has to be taken into consideration.eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-11901264393627206242007-07-31T10:10:00.000+08:002007-07-31T10:10:00.000+08:00I guess that that phrase shouldn't be limited only...I guess that that phrase shouldn't be limited only to the civil service?<BR/><BR/>It's easy to tell people how to do their jobs because you're not the one doing it. For example, i can tell my maid to sweep the floor ten times. However, when you're the one doing the job, carrying out the action, taking on the task, then you can see more clearly what the limitations are. I'll reiterate, this does not only apply to the public sector, it applies everywhere.<BR/><BR/>Discipline is never easy. Especially for teachers these days. For example, a teacher friend of mine penalised a child for poor writing by marking his answer incorrect. The parent threw a fit. My friend just said, 'If you want your child to grow up thinking that illegible handwriting is ok, i'll change the grade now.' The parent shut up.<BR/><BR/>My point is, there are too many people to please. I believe that as long as you stick to your principles of educating a child, both academically as well as in character development (as well as all that holistic development stuff that MOE is spouting...), then your conscience is clear. <BR/><BR/>The bottom line is that the child must benefit from it.Benefit whether in learning or via experience, it doesn't matter. The interests of the child come first.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, keep in mind the age old adage. "You can't please everybody." So let's just do the best we can. Let's do what's right and let's hope that the decisions we make are the right ones.<BR/><BR/>Cheers.sauerkrauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16888799248793121457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-38893522188849763852007-07-31T09:41:00.000+08:002007-07-31T09:41:00.000+08:00To humiliate people because of a mistake or misbeh...To humiliate people because of a mistake or misbehavior done, IMO, is in very bad light. There are different ways to right a wrong, depending upon the severity but to trample on people's basic human rights for such a minor misbehavior is totally unfair. These are young ladies and they should be handled with care because this stage is their life is sensitive. <BR/><BR/>My 2cents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-33595737368740446592007-07-31T09:10:00.000+08:002007-07-31T09:10:00.000+08:00simple american,My sentiments exactly! Such action...simple american,<BR/>My sentiments exactly! Such actions should not be condone.eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-10058673116583532342007-07-31T04:27:00.000+08:002007-07-31T04:27:00.000+08:00The girls should not be punished like that. It's n...The girls should not be punished like that. It's not like they found it on the ceiling or the sink. Even in those two cases it does not warrant what occurred. What if any girls get ill? Unconscionable!!! Fire her and never let her come near children again.Simple Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00249900697096290732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-44605248072169549222007-07-31T01:38:00.000+08:002007-07-31T01:38:00.000+08:00Hi zeroimpact!I agree that parents are overly prot...Hi zeroimpact!<BR/>I agree that parents are overly protective of their kids. If they can't take their children in hand, the state would do it eventually. <BR/><BR/>I'm old-fashioned too! I prefer a good caning than counselling!eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-17910209193269309632007-07-31T00:57:00.000+08:002007-07-31T00:57:00.000+08:00I totally agreed with you on thisI mean public can...I totally agreed with you on this<BR/>I mean public caning I agree but then soak in a pool, unless the fella has an axe in hand if not I think a riot is in place<BR/>But then again, are parents overly protective nowadays that even caning is too much?<BR/>May be I am old fashioned laAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-78644321638637563832007-07-30T23:05:00.000+08:002007-07-30T23:05:00.000+08:00Kok,Oh, your poor grandpa. He must be hurt. :(Kok,<BR/>Oh, your poor grandpa. He must be hurt. :(eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-16594999151671777352007-07-30T21:55:00.000+08:002007-07-30T21:55:00.000+08:00eastcoastlife,I've no idea why my cousin could do ...eastcoastlife,<BR/>I've no idea why my cousin could do such a thing to my grandpa. Totally rude!<BR/><BR/>This, I have to agree with you. Wrong, you have to punish, but not abuse or humiliate.Kokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09080952716925786130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-53631002265959224262007-07-30T21:43:00.000+08:002007-07-30T21:43:00.000+08:00Hi Teacher Dave,This is definitely not done out of...Hi Teacher Dave,<BR/>This is definitely not done out of love but an act of rage. <BR/><BR/>We really do need more love and patience when teaching the young. Parents have to do their part too, they cannot leave it to the school.eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-61427716586297970822007-07-30T20:48:00.000+08:002007-07-30T20:48:00.000+08:00What these childern are learning is not how to lif...What these childern are learning is not how to life a of peace and love they are being treated as something that is not human. There are more gentler ways to get a point accross then to humilate and possible make people sick. The teacher who has done this grave injustice is not a teacher she is a person that this girls can learn to be not like. If this is the message that these girls have learned then they have learned that people like this teacher must never be honored or emulated. A very nasty lesson indeed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10571464333419314695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-45853975341148173062007-07-30T20:00:00.000+08:002007-07-30T20:00:00.000+08:00Hi sauerkraut!Right, I agree that the warden's job...Hi sauerkraut!<BR/><BR/>Right, I agree that the warden's job is tough. And I should have 'constructive criticism accompanied with an alternative solution'. This sounds familiar. Ahhh... The PR woman in our gahmen service who said that to Mr Brown! And you are in civil service too? ^-^ <BR/><BR/>But had I been in the warden's shoes, I wouldn't have thought of that punishment, it's just unthinkable!<BR/><BR/>I'm a guardian of teenagers for 18 years! I don't just see them a few hours a day, I live with them. I have seen all their tricks. I know how tough it is to discipline them. But such a punishment have never crossed my mind although I lived near a dirty canal. <BR/><BR/>sigh.... discipline is really not easy.eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-74937504281457224892007-07-30T19:28:00.000+08:002007-07-30T19:28:00.000+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-50550027242335779502007-07-30T19:15:00.000+08:002007-07-30T19:15:00.000+08:00Kev,Yup, I agree with you that 'to spare the rod w...Kev,<BR/>Yup, I agree with you that 'to spare the rod would spoil the child.' Many children our time were brought up that way. <BR/><BR/>Having looked after so many students, if there are some who refuse to listen no matter what I did, I'll just leave them alone. Too bad, they have to learn it the hard way. And I believe they would remember the lesson forever. <BR/><BR/>In the army, although I sympathise with the soldiers, but I understand that it is crucial that they look out for each other. <BR/> <BR/>You are gonna be a responsible parent! Kudos to you!eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-69213495817116245462007-07-30T18:54:00.000+08:002007-07-30T18:54:00.000+08:00windy,Nobody in her right mind would admit to the ...windy,<BR/>Nobody in her right mind would admit to the 'crime' at that moment when faced with a furious warden. <BR/><BR/>Here, 199 innocent victims were punished in a most inhumane way1! What lesson was the warden trying to give? That those who didn't commit any wrong may be punished? That a person in authority may use force at her whim and fancy?eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-8337290080629274772007-07-30T18:49:00.000+08:002007-07-30T18:49:00.000+08:00I agree that humiliation is often unnecessary. How...I agree that humiliation is often unnecessary. However, the threat of humiliation is often used especially when dealing with "indian chiefs" in class who try to be the "heroes".<BR/><BR/>If only discipline were such an easy matter. However, different people have different standards as well as different methods of discipline. What is acceptable to you may not be acceptable to others and vice versa.<BR/><BR/>In the end, unless you're doing the job, there is no way you can know how tough that job is, whether it is a janitor or a president. It's easy to point fingers and say "how can!", but can any of us come up with something better? Constructive criticism accompanied with an alternative solution - that's the ideal.<BR/><BR/>As long as the punishment suits the crime and the decision is a fair one, i would see no reason to complain about the "inhumanity" of it all.sauerkrauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16888799248793121457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-23271445953970342382007-07-30T18:45:00.000+08:002007-07-30T18:45:00.000+08:00Of cos, the type of punishment given is wrong i th...Of cos, the type of punishment given is wrong i think... but then again... spare the rod and spoilt the child.<BR/><BR/>And I always believe in not sparing the rod, esp with children nowadays. I rather they hate me and grow up to be a useful chap, then to love me and be a useless burger!KeV's wAlKAbOuThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15298541893043463012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-90740583753781168412007-07-30T18:41:00.000+08:002007-07-30T18:41:00.000+08:00hi ECL! Sometimes, I think it is ok to punish the ...hi ECL! Sometimes, I think it is ok to punish the whole lot because 1 or 2 broke the rules etc. e.g. in the army, if 1 did wrong, the whole platoon or even company gonna punish - drilling into the people that whatever they do influences others as well since we live in a community. There's also this peer pressure from those innocent victims to keep check on the troublemakers as well (probably more effective since students are with their peers most of the time). <BR/><BR/>well, all in all, it's 'All for 1, and 1 for all'.<BR/><BR/>But seriously, how do u teach someone who just refuse to listen??KeV's wAlKAbOuThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15298541893043463012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-85640203008891765802007-07-30T18:30:00.000+08:002007-07-30T18:30:00.000+08:00I can understand if nobody admits the 'crime' and ...I can understand if nobody admits the 'crime' and therefore everybody has to be punished. If someone admits it, then that person should be punished. Anyway, to ask them to squat in a murky, infected fish pond for an hour on the rainy day, that's wrong! Also, I don't think it's good for the teachers to stand in the rain either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16572633.post-25635870023426512802007-07-30T15:47:00.000+08:002007-07-30T15:47:00.000+08:00Leonard,You liked to keep long hair when you were ...Leonard,<BR/>You liked to keep long hair when you were schooling. Now that you have the freedom to leave it long, you choose to keep it short.<BR/> <BR/>So the smelly gel did teach you a lesson. :)eastcoastlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578276762751929226noreply@blogger.com